Unlocking Health Secrets: The Transformative Power of Light Environment | Zaid Dahhaj

What's up guys? Welcome back to the Alchemist Library podcast. Today on the show we have Zaid Dahar. Zaid is an online writer, health coach and host of the 2AM podcast. Zaid's work focuses on how we can achieve true health, and a big realization that Zaid has had is the role that light plays in that, and so we explore that topic today and explore a bunch of very cool and nuanced topics when it comes to health. So I'm going to leave it at that and catch you guys inside Peace. Are you doing this work to facilitate?

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A man, Zaid. Welcome to the podcast brother. Good to see you.

What's going on, ryan? It's exciting to chop it up once again. I don't think we've done a podcast before, have we? We've done three. This is our third. Is this our third? Because I searched it up on YouTube and I couldn't find anything.

Yeah, that's the first. For the first like 50 episodes of the podcast, I didn't do YouTube and that was probably the biggest mistake that I've made with the podcast.

Okay, so it's on audio. That's what I didn't look. It's on audio.

So first one on YouTube. But the good news is you're the first three time guest on pop.

Damn. I feel like royalty right now bro.

Yeah, bro, you deserve it man. So red light to license dude, we're seeing it all over again. They're getting super trendy seeing people put on the mask. So have you seen those? Like? I think it's really popular with women for skin health, and then there's just a ton of stuff. It's really in right now to have a red light device. What do you think some of the benefits are of that? And then how do you use it properly? What do you think some good, a good application to it would be?

Third thing so you know in terms of how many devices there are. I think they're coming out by the week, by the month. So obviously you have the face masks. You have just a basic photo by modulation panels. I mean, I've even seen, you've had Dr Abu Dhan before. He apparently shared something where you, they now have devices for your penis.

So I was going to bring it up. They're coming out from all angles, but in terms of the benefits, the scientific literature is quite clear and quite comprehensive that photo by modulation more specifically, red light within, believe, like the 600 nanometer to, you know, high eight hundreds has a lot of benefits. We're talking about improved skill, is skin elasticity, improved collagen synthesis, higher energy, better sleep, higher testosterone for men, better hormones for women in general. So it really applies across the board. And in terms of how to use it, I think being as close to the panel with your bare skin is very important.

So kind of the same concept as sunlight exposure and sunbathing, and then you know any problematic areas that you have, whether psoriasis of the scalp. Apply it to the scalp religiously every single day If you have pain in the knees. Same concept, and one important factor that I would like to share is that you should only do it in the mornings and the afternoons, and this is something I've changed my mind on recently, because if you do it at night, then it definitely does have an impact on suppressing melatonin, which would then impact your sleep.

And of course the panels are really bright lights. So in general you want to have lights that are very dim at after sunset, so I would just reserve it for the morning and afternoon use.

Okay, interesting. Yeah, because I see a lot of people like host sunset red light maxing throughout their house, which is probably a better alternative than the ultraviolet blue light. But yeah, that's interesting.

Yeah, I mean way better alternative than than artificial light, but people need to keep in mind that it still does impact melatonin. To what degree? I mean, I think we're talking a few percentage points, so it's not that much. But over time I think it's best to just, you know, maximize darkness, use firelight and things of that nature.

So it's winter right now. Obviously like a lot of people in cold winter places struggling with their sunlight, with getting in some sunlight, do you think like a red light device would be? Obviously it's not like an ideal alternative, but yeah, you hear guys like you, berman, talking about making sure you're looking at the sun first thing in the morning to kind of set that circadian rhythm. Do you think that would be a good alternative or rhythm for people to get in if they have a red light to use that first thing in the morning?

Oh, absolutely. But the nuance here is that I am a big believer in using it in the morning. But even if it's wintertime, I think you should still get outside, get your skin in the game, get your eyes exposed to natural light, because even though during the wintertime, uva and UVB are, you know, lower in intensity, let's say, you still have the full light spectrum at work, especially blue and red and your infrared light. So I would still go outside as much as possible. And then, you know, that's where we can talk about embracing the cold as well. But in terms of waking up your system, activating the palm seed gene and then going into, like neurotransmitter production, the biological peptides, there's nothing like it. So I would still maintain that as a solid habit.

So, speaking of embracing the cold, we talked I had written down to talk to you about this and see you talk about this on Twitter again about recently, about like sunbathing your baby, making sure because you just had a kid Congratulations for that again but really trying to optimize their sunlight exposure as well. But I wanted to bring up this with you because it's a super interesting combination between the stuff you talk about and the cold stuff of. In Nordic countries, for centuries They've been having their babies sleep outside to get them used to the cold, and I'm sure it also has a wonderful effect on the sleep because they're waking up with the sunrise. Did I lose?

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They're immediately getting hit with that light. That probably sets up a baby circadian rhythm and helps with their sleep on anything.

Yeah, it's the biggest factor by far. If we're talking about zeitgevers, which are just external circadian cues, then light is going to be the biggest one and it really does set your baby up for success, both in the short and the long term, because circadian biology is the foundation of human health. I mean, there's no arguing that. I think the literature has shown that quite comprehensively. But the problem is that people are not quick to catch up to what the literature says and what decentralized medicine kind of follows. So, yeah, it's one of the biggest things and generally it's the same concept as sunbathing yourself, but considering that babies absorb more light. So basically you just need to have more precautions around burning and things of that nature.

So, speaking of that, with the catching up to the literature or people catching up to the literature, it's interesting the stances that people kind of hold up with the sun. Obviously people have a fear of it. He like the skin cancer association saying there's like no such thing as a healthy or a safe tan. What is like the? Why do people think this like is? Is there any merit to the idea that the sun can be toxic to us when you're not burning? Because I understand the burning aspect of it and in terms of everything else, like it doesn't. It doesn't click.

Yeah, there's absolutely no merit to the idea that the sun is toxic if you're not burning. I think there's a lot more merit to the fact that if you avoid the sun then you set yourself up for a lot of problems. But we need to go back in history and understand how this belief came to be about sunlight and sun cancer. I think a large part of it has to do with Rockefeller how we infiltrated the, how we infiltrated centralized medicine. He infiltrated the education system and, as a result, you know, this is just one of those bad ideas that he's instilled in people's minds.

I mean, if you think about Rockefeller, he was one of the main actors in terms of demonizing raw milk and shutting down its production. He was one of the main actors with this whole sunlight exposure discussion. He was one of the main actors when it comes to siloing centralized medicine. So obviously you have a cardiovascular doctor, you have a liver doctor, things of that nature. That was because of him and we need to understand that. There are a lot of bad ideas that stem from that timeframe that we need to get rid of because the science and you know, I think our understanding of health has evolved. But of course, eruption is a big thing.

It's funny, dude. It's like you get into the world of health, especially when you take this like decentralized approach and you're learning from at least people on Twitter. You're listening to podcasts. You get almost the word conspiracy theorists is probably the best you submit in this situation. But like, in a way, it kind of turns you into conspiracy theorists because you hear these different stories. You see how weird some things are. Like the story of Rockefeller was raw milk because he knew that pasteurization would make a lot of farmers God of business and that he would be able to make more profit off of it, like that whole story. And then you just see all these examples that are similar throughout the film. It's like it makes you question things Definitely a lot more. It's funny Just getting into health kind of makes you question everything else.

Yeah, it's the ultimate red pill, and I think it's helpful to look at all these areas within health and then notice that there's a common thread here. I mean you have powerful people who have a lot of money and power trying to influence a certain industry or realm in order for them to maintain that power in profit mode, and that's all. You know. Many, much of the stuff comes down to, especially if you think about recent events or politics. I mean, that's all. That's all it is.

Yeah, dude, it's crazy. And I what made you jump fully into sunlight? Because if you look at like the evolution of your content, I was checking out all your stuff today and you see it go from talking about diet and lab work to sleep being a big part for you, and then ultimately turn this corner and so much of your work ended up focusing on sunlight. Well, what happened there made the switch.

You know, I think I've always enjoyed the sun. Since I was a young kid, I mean, I played soccer outside for hours on end. I had a tan. So, intuitively, I knew that sunlight was healthy for us, and so I've always come across those ideas that sunlight is inherently bad is stupid.

But what really got me into it to focus most of my effort and energy and work into light environment as a whole, is, of course, the work of Dr Jack Cruz, and you know we have many opinions on Twitter about Dr Jack Cruz. I think he's he's a man who's got a lot to work on. But if you look at his work and separate the message from the messenger, then there's a lot of truth to that, and there's a lot of truth that goes directly against centralized medicine, which I'm inherently in favor of, because you know, we know the problems that arise with centralized medicine. So he was the first dominant, so to speak, and from then on it was my duty to really separate myself from anybody within the industry and, just, you know, do the research myself. I mean, cruz talks about this all the time, listen to me, but confirm what I'm saying, and so that's what I've done and that's why I think I've developed more of an of an expertise just because I've developed. You know I focus most of my time and energy on the subject.

So if you were, going to rank diet, exercise, sunlight, hydration, sleep and yeah, I will do those five. If you're going to rank those five as a diet, exercise, sunlight, hydration, sleep, what's the order of operations in terms of importance to you that you said? Obviously there's some nuance there, but just for yourself.

Yeah, and, by the way, before I answer this question, I believe in all health fundamentals. I believe in everything, because everything's important. I do still stand by the fact that I think light environments number one, just because our biology is, is so interconnected to light itself. I think sleep is number two, because it's tied in so closely with, it's married to circadian biology. And then I would say probably hydration, because it's so like ignored, and then nutrition, and then what were the other ones?

Exercise, and I think exercise is the only one you didn't say. Do you mention sleep?

Yeah, I'd put sleep at number two, I think, after hydration, I would say what? And the problem is you can interchange any of these things, I think, outside of light environment and sleep. You can interchange whether it's nutrition or exercise or anything like that.

Yeah, it's so fascinating to do that. I had on a doctor who works with only autoimmune patients, like that's his, his niche, and he was saying when he got out of medical school and before he had any clinical experience like working with patients, his list of those five were opposite. And then he puts the sunlight at number one, just because how the dominoes fall when you start to really iron out the sunlight, getting that daily, getting that consistently, the sleep falls into place, your hunger hormones start to regulate a little more. All of these things kind of stem from that foundation of getting that sunlight and then the sleep and all that stuff just comes.

Yeah, precisely. I mean, I'm not putting light environment at the top of the list just because it's my sacred cow, so to speak, Because I've been through the research and I can see how its hands touch absolutely everything within health and in major ways. So that's, I think, an important thing to understand.

Yeah, I mean you work with a ton of clients right now, since you've been really focusing in on sunlight. How has that affected the people you work?

with Tremendously. I mean with the sunlight. That's one important part of the conversation. But in nature you find things in a coupled system. So when we talk about sunlight, we also have to talk about the avoidance of artificial light after sunset. And once you introduce that framework into people's lives, I mean it changes so many things and it changes them quickly, because people think the exact opposite of what you're trying to teach them. They think that you should avoid the sun, they think that bright light after sunset is not a problem. And once you really align yourself with that coupled system, then you start to see amazing results in regards to the loss of body weight, visceral fat, more specifically, gaining muscle if you're training outside, better sleep, better cognition. Like I said, it touches everything across the board, for the exact reason that our biology is built around light. Without light there is no life.

Man. It's so crazy because if you look at what the average person is doing, let's say they're somewhat conscious about health, but their focus is primarily on diet. Right, there are a lot of people exorcised as well. So then you look at their daily routine, what they're doing, and it's wake up in the morning, go straight to the car, barely see any sunlight, go to work, sit down under the blue light artificial all day, maybe get a workout in post work, whatever. The recipe for making everything else so much harder, just to stay healthy, yeah.

And people wonder why everyone's dying at like 40 to 60 years old prematurely. There's, of course, a place for nutrition, but if you get stuck in this camp of like ketogenic diet is everything, carnivore is everything, veganism is everything, then you inevitably hit a glass ceiling, because the light that you're eating your food under, for example, is just as important as the nutrient density of the food that you're eating. And once we understand that sunlight activates the palm seed gene, which is in every mammal, every human being, then we understand that that leads itself to the creation of biological peptides that are almost all responsible for things like suppressing appetite, maintaining body weight, shuttling fat in the appropriate manner or inappropriate manner, depending on your light environment and then neurotransmitter production. This touches everything in the human body. So I need people to understand that nutrition is not the God of health. I think light has more of a role to play here.

So that palm of the gene that gets turned on through sun exposure. It has all those, I guess, side effects when you're activating that gene of all the things you just mentioned.

Yes. So if we're thinking about about pom seed pro-opium, melanocortin it cleaves itself or these biological peptides there are about maybe eight to ten of them cleave themselves off of this pom seed protein. And so when we think about what these peptides are, we're talking about beta endorphin, appetite suppressant. It's an opioid peptide. It's the reason why we're addicted to sunlight in the first place. You can think about arts, cocaine and amphetamine related transcription peptide I believe that's the name also responsible for a lot of the same things. You have alpha, beta and gamma MSH melanocytes stimulating hormone, so we're talking about the creation of melanin. We're talking about another appetite suppressant, anti-inflammatory across the board. This is like. This is well studied research, so I think it's just a very powerful system that people need to be aware of. Yeah.

How has, when it comes to your diet now having such a vocal growth sunlight? Has that been something that you've almost became a little less neurotic about over the years, now since you're starting to realize that it may not be this end all that we think it is?

You know, I think that's true. I think when I first started to really dive into the light environment work, I kind of gave myself a little bit less leeway in regards to nutrition. So I would find myself like I guess this is an unconscious thing, but I would experiment unconsciously with trying to eat like shit. Eat like shit I mean, it's not the standard American diet, but it would be things that you know most people would deem as inappropriate for human nutrition and then really dialing in my light environment, but what I found is that you really need to have both in check in order to see results. So you can't be eating, you know, gluten-filled tacos or like something of that nature, while having your light environment in check and you can't expect to see results. You have to have both as one married unit in order to really bootstrap a lot of these biological processes.

That makes perfect sense to me, dude. I've seen it with myself when I've done those mess around with that experiment, getting ton and ton of sunland exposure but giving myself that more leeway with the diet stuff. There's like a happy medium there, but you can't go too extreme in the direction of going all out with the diet stuff. It's definitely a connected system, that, for that is for sure.

Yeah, most definitely, and I think as long as you have those two in check, for the most part you'll be fine.

Yeah, so when it comes to supplements nowadays, what are you taking? You taking anything specific on a daily basis or anything you've been experimenting with that you've been enjoying Sure.

So nothing on a daily basis as of now, because I mean, if anything, I would say she-ligi is like the most routine form of supplementation for me, from base supplements of course. But I do believe in the idea that you should cycle your supplements, just because one thing first thing is that the human body is so complex, so I wouldn't really want to be taking something every day, and then it's just better to, because our bodies run on a cyclical type of process through seasonality, through circadian rhythm, things of that nature. But what I'm taking regularly or semi-regularly, is methylene blue from Vance, of course shout out to Moroccan medicinal. Like I said, the she-ligi from base supplements. I'm taking subroxy from notable shout out Nuke Bro. And then what else did I mention? Parazanthine of course from Ritz.

I do consider that a supplement, but that's pretty much all that I have in my stack.

Do parazanthine, that shit's special and such a big fan of parazanthine. It's a game changer, Matt, absolutely a game changer. I mean, can you explain the differences between parazanthine and caffeine for those that have not heard of it?

Yeah, so I mean caffeine and parazanthine are interrelated because when you consume caffeine your body actually creates it ends up creating 80% of that caffeine into parazanthine as it enters the body. So they do work closely together and have a lot of the same function. But the difference with parazanthine is that through the literature we see effects that are not negative. We see a better safety profile than caffeine lower, yeah, and I think in general it's just going to help more people who struggle with problems like insomnia, who are more sensitive to caffeine if they have jitters, anxiety, things like that, and really it just changes the game because it gives you all the benefits of caffeine without any of the negatives.

Yeah, so you're able to correct me on this. What is the half-life of parazanthine? Because I found that I could have a cup very late in the afternoon and not experience any of the same insomnia than I would experience when I was on caffeine, but I still get that same energy. Obviously, the jitters and the anxiety that comes with too much caffeine definitely is not an issue with parazanthine, but what is that half-life there?

I'm honestly not sure. I think I've come across three hours, one hour. I mean I would assume it differs just based off of bio-individuality. Everyone's different, like, for example, with caffeine. You have around 43 or so different variants for genetic caffeine metabolism. So for some people they can shuttle it out of their system very quickly, like within a couple hours. For other people it'll last days or weeks within their system. So we need to understand that bio-individuality is king. So it could be all over the place for the current matter.

That's fascinating. I mean the rare bird, I mean rare bird coffee. So that's probably the best source of parazanthine. Correcting some, it is the best in the game right here. Oh yeah, oh, you sip an hour right now. Yeah, I'm almost done with it. I've run through it. I have one of my mom's really good friends. She had a quick caffeine because of acid reflux that she was experiencing from it and she was eating the caffeine. So I told my mom to get her some rare bird and she's absolutely obsessed. She's like this is the best thing I've ever had. I still get the caffeine high with none of the side effects I was experiencing before. To me, that rare bird stuff is quite special.

Yeah, they're doing special stuff over at Rare Bird and I'm definitely going to start to work more closely with them, whether that's personally, the podcast, and just to make sure to get the word out there, because it's such a powerful alternative to caffeine and I think it's important for people to understand that there's a right way to consume caffeine. In the wrong way, and, considering that it's one of the most powerful drugs out there, most people edge towards the wrong way. For example, they're drinking black coffee on an empty stomach. They're not putting any sort of healthy fat within their coffee. They're not mineralizing their coffee with Shilajit. They're consuming it at the wrong time. So you get the idea. It needs to be approached with intention. So why is that with caffeine?

Why is that? It's just it's a lot better to have it with the minerals, have it with a good sat. So what is the benefit of that combination?

So if we're talking about why you don't want to drink caffeine on an empty stomach, it's because it does have a higher potential of irritating your gut, Maybe damaging your gut. I've seen multiple clients who have reported things like acid reflux, digestive issues, things of that nature. Before talking about mineralization, we need to understand that caffeine just straight. Caffeine does have the potential. It is a diuretic, so it will allow you to pee more and then, as a result, especially in the context of people not drinking mineralized water, that can lead to dehydration. So I think it's important to mineralize from that perspective. And then the fat the healthy fat addition to caffeine is very important because it helps slow the absorption of caffeine within your system. So this will likely reduce things like jitters, anxiety, any other symptoms that might arise from it.

Did you see that? That study, and then I think it was like CNN picked up the story and a ton of new sources about the amount of plastic that was leaching into water versus what they originally thought. Do you see that?

Yes, Sorry, you said plastic, and what?

You see the news. I took them as a study and then CNN picked it up and a ton of other news sources that was talking about the amount of plastic that was leaching into wanders versus what they initially bought and how it was like 100x more than what they initially expected.

Oh, I think I've come across it, but I didn't read it. So they found out that it's 100x more than they believed Yup, something like that.

I mean I don't think it's based on what we believe, that I'm pretty sure that we've known for a while now. I mean intuitively, like our side of Twitter you have. I mean, you could teach the difference when you're consistently having glass water versus plastic, like there's definitely that plastic. He tastes that shit, man, I don't know. There's all that plastic humiliates and you see all the negative effects of that with like I think Shanna Swarn talks about that a ton with the sex that it's having on children and endocrine system.

It's what man, it's another. You know, honestly, it's another reason why most people check themselves out of this game like just studying health in general and getting it together, because they feel so overwhelmed with things like microplastics. I have to study about some right now Everything essentially. They view it from the perspective. If they're wise, they view it from the perspective that they've been lied to about absolutely everything in regards to health and from a certain perspective, that's correct, but I think it's. You know, it just goes to show that we have to simplify the work and we have to really bring things down to a base level for the average person in order for them to really follow this lifestyle.

So for that person who's dealing with overwhelm, they want to be health conscious but they're like they've got seed, oils, plastic, like I'm just trying to live my life a little bit. How would you talk to that person about the approach they should be taking to optimize, when it looks like on every which end we're getting attacked with toxins and just different things in general?

Yeah, you know I would. It differs from person to person, but I would focus more on just teaching them about the basics of circadian biology and telling them that, look, there are a few things that you can focus on in regards to light, from the morning all the way up till the moment you place your head on the pillow. That will really have some long term beneficial effects and that you'll also notice very quickly in your life. So I don't want to overwhelm people with information. I want to make sure that I start from a personalized perspective and really just make sure that they have skin in the game as quickly as possible so that they can see benefit. Because once you show people that this current lifestyle they're following is making them feel like shit, then you bridge them over to a lifestyle that is sustainable, simple to follow but also making them feel great. Then I don't think you have to convince those people anymore, because you know you just allow the feelings to do what they do.

That's psychological change. Though it's so difficult, I think it's probably my intuition tells me it's probably easier when you're focusing on the sunlight itself versus focusing on the diet stuff just because everyone gets so much pleasure out of the foods that they eat. But getting that person who wants to be healthy but you know they end up eating that pizza or just not sticking with it it's hard to get those psychological changes to say yeah.

I mean it's difficult. I'm under no illusion that like it's easy for me or it's easy for a lot of these guys who say that they follow this lifestyle effortlessly. I think we all deal with temptation. We all give into temptation at varying rates, but you know, I want people to understand that there is hope. Like you can rely on you know our corner of health Twitter. You can rely on certain people in this industry, but you do have to come into it with the understanding that you can't be naive. You can't believe every Instagram influencer that comes across on your timeline or every Twitter influencer. You have to focus on really the first principles thinking aspect of things and I think that that would help immensely.

So for that person who's like I don't know what you listen to in this realm. I see a million things on TikTok and Twitter and Instagram and they're feeling like every which direction someone's telling them something else. They just focusing on like what makes sense in terms of how we've always lived Is that kind of the first principles thinking that you take with them.

Partly, but I don't think that resonates with a lot of people. First and foremost, they're not educated on evolutionary biology or evolutionary history, so they wouldn't know what I'm talking about. And secondly, it's like it's kind of abstract when you say, quote your hunter gatherer ancestors lived under the sun from morning until sunset. Like most people don't have an understanding of what that actually means and they don't certainly don't understand the intricacies involved with that sort of lifestyle. So I think it. You know it's a very tough situation. You can't you can't be in an extreme camp and you totally barely push it on people because it's when it's going to have a backfiring effect.

And I've certainly experienced that with people who are close to me in my life, but it's a deeper rabbit hole and I certainly don't have all the answers. I just work with people who are ready to change.

Yep, that makes it a lot easier, right, when people are willing to put that money in for that commitment, because that shows that they're in it. But like I've like I was actually thinking about this to now. I had a convenience store and it was a father and a daughter in front of me online and the daughter wanted all this candy and the dad was saying was saying no. And I was just thinking to myself about how difficult it is to raise healthy children today and how to get them not to have that like rebel rebel gene in them where it's like no, you can't eat, can't eat the candy all the time. So when, when they get the opportunity to eat the candy, they go all out and end up being these, these candy addicts or whatever, maybe junk food addicts. It's hard to think about that with now being a father, like teaching your child and applying your own health principles to that.

It's a good question. I think, most importantly, you have to be about it. You've got to walk the walk and talk the talk. You know you've got to have the embodiment of the lifestyle that you're trying to raise them with.

Because, like you know, if I look back on my childhood when it comes to my dad and things that he did, I learned a lot of that through osmosis. He wasn't one to teach me lessons in like the stereotypical way of like just dropping a quote or sharing a story, but I would watch him and I would learn through osmosis where to where it became a part of my being. And when you're young, when you're that age there's no like conscious mechanism behind you really absorb almost everything that is around you in your environment. So that's probably the foundation of my focus right now is just setting himself up for, or setting him up for, the healthiest possible outcome with things like exclusively breastfeeding, light environment, sunbathing, you know, making sure that toxins are outside of the home, clothes are 100 percent cotton, things of that nature, so that you know they will be able to function at a proper rate when they get older.

Just putting in that foundation and making sure that they're getting rate, quote, unquote nutrition from having breast milk. And I mean you look at the baby formula stuff. That's a whole another wrap up whole of how crazy that is. I mean that shit is insane with their feeding kids Super sad, but I'm making sure they get in the light environment, so I'm just making sure that it's a talks of real homes. It's a fascinating approach. When you were now since you're in this process of learning how to really help your child be healthy was there any certain insights that have came to you in terms of like what you should be feeding them when they eventually start eating solid food, like in that realm? Was there any big takeaways to you?

You know I haven't done a deep dive on that myself, but I have to credit my fiance, because she's been like if you think I'm crazy and obsessive with my work. She's become even crazier and even more obsessive when it comes to the whole baby realm and holistic living and things of that nature. So I more so rely on her. I mean, I have a basic understanding of what a kid would eat as you introduce solids. I mean easily digestible foods, bananas, avocados, meats, things of that nature and then, of course, just not making sure to fill them up with bullshit. I think that's the most important thing, right?

Yeah, making sure that they avoid avoid the really bad things instead of so constantly on being perfect with with all the other stuff.

Yeah, exactly as long as they're 90 to 95 percent of the way there, and you've done things right up to that point, no need to worry.

So I'm thinking about getting this on our dude. I'm debating between infrared and just the traditional saw us. Is there certain benefits that come alongside with the? With the infrared Definitely.

I mean you're just getting more red and your infrared and far infrared light. That's a huge benefit because most people in today's society get about what was the stat? I think they get only like 7 percent red or just red light spectrum in general, Whereas if you look at like the early 1800s they got like 85 to 95 percent, because they spend most of their time outside.

So I think that's a huge benefit. You know the work from the hormetic perspective. I think it's definitely going to create a stronger organism. Sauna is incredible for a reduction of cardiovascular health, neurodegeneration probably every disease is chronic disease under the sun and it's great for detoxification. I mean, sweating is by far one of the most foundational things you can do in order to remove mercury, arsenic, lead. So you know there are a lot of other benefits to it, but I think those stand out to me.

And then anything that we haven't talked about today. You think you're sun mental or something that you want to cover or something has been front of mind.

Um, probably non native VMS. I think that's a huge topic. Let's talk about it. Not one, not one that I know too much on, let's say. But I mean, everyone should follow Tristan beef and Bitcoin on Twitter. He's amazing for all things. But I think just the general idea of unplugging, making sure that you're not wearing AirPods or any type of Bluetooth headsets, making sure that you're not answering your phone like right to your skull, keeping it on speaker airplane mode Once you go to sleep no laptop on your nuts, definitely no laptop on your nuts and then you know just these little tidbits that really help to reduce the emf load, I think is key.

And what's the widen time that? Is it just radiation?

Well, you could say it's radiation. I think that the main reason why is because of what it does to the mitochondria. So if we think about how the mitochondria evolved, they evolved to actually sense naturally, mf, so Schumann, resonance, sunlight, things of that nature. But now that we've introduced Wi-Fi, bluetooth, 5g and all sorts of other technology, we've caused some serious dysfunction in how the mitochondria operate by opening up the what is it? Voltage, gated calcium channel. And then you know that allows too much calcium into the cell, destroys the cell, and then that leads to a whole host of other impacts. And this is not even I mean. This is not to mention that we experienced the effects beginning from our skin. So non-native VMF has a very strong topological effect on us, like not only is the body, the body is external, but it starts from the, it's internal but it starts from the external. So we have to think about how non-native VMF is changing the, you know, the charge in our skin and our overall tissues.

So, oh, that's super interesting. I didn't think about that, that it's having an impact on skin health as well, and what leads.

Hard to interrupt but actually, like I'll answer it for you here. If you think about going to a city like LA or New York, let's say, la is a better example because it's better solar yield. Somebody could be close to a 5G tower, close to all this technology, not know anything about non-native VMF. They could be sunbathing, they could be going to the beach every single day in TANI and they could have a TAN. But when you do some blood work on them, you'll find out that their vitamin D3 is only like 25 to 30 milligrams per milliliter. So this is one of the effects that non-native VMF has on the body at large, in regards to vitamin D3 specifically.

So I didn't realize how big of an impact it would have on vitamin D3. I mean, what would you do that in that situation?

You follow the inverse square law, which states that the farther you get from the source of non-native VMF or from the source of any toxic load in regards to this electromagnetic pollution, the better off you are. So don't live next to a 5G tower, don't put your fucking Wi-Fi router next to your head. Like very basic things just distance, get away, get more instanti-.

Damn damn dude, she makes you want to go live in nature.

Bro, I need a house in Montana, I need to go visit some. Tanimen.

Would you live? Would that be like? Because how big of a role sun plays for you. I mean, I just have noticed how much easier it is and how much more effortless it is to be healthy in warm weather climate. That's just when you're constantly wanting to be outside. Would you, with that said, would you want to make a conscious effort to live in a warm weather place, or would you be happy in a Montana and just go really out of your way to suffer through that cold exposure that you would have to experience to be outside as much as you want it?

You know I'm a sun worshiper and I think I'm always going to be by the equator. I think I'd move closer to the equator, to be honest, for a longer term kind of place to live. But I'm not opposed to like going to Montana for a month or so here and there and really just testing myself in that. In regards to that capacity and really everyone's different, I mean, you have people who are like me, who really thrive with sunlight more so than cold, because the maternal haplotype from my mother, for example, is just, you know, better conducive to sunlight as opposed to cold. If you look at other people who are more Scandinavian, they're better suited to cold as opposed to sunlight. So there is a mitochondrial component to this and you get that from your mother. Yes, I mean, the work of Dr Doug Wallace has showed quite clearly that you only get your mitochondria from your mother. You don't get it at all from your father.

So when we're looking at our ancestry and we're trying to determine how we should be living our life based on what our quote unquote ancestors would have done if they're from like Polish descent or if they were from South America, you should really be looking at your mother more so than your father.

I think, yeah, I think that's a good prescription. I hesitate to recommend 23andMe to everybody because I know people are like all up in arms of a company having their genetic data. I've done 23andMe so I have access to my maternal and paternal haplotype, and what you can actually do, which is really cool, is just go through the website and study where the migration patterns are in regards to your parents' ancestors, so you know they could start in. Everyone starts in the Sub-Saharan rift in Africa, and then you can see the movement of how some people travel to Iceland, some people travel to Germany, things of that nature.

So we would we'd, we'd, a we'd good tell for that be how well your mother tans like. Would that be a good rule of thumb in terms of how well you deal with the sun?

I think it plays a big role. If you tan easily and you've noticed that your energy levels and sleep and all of these other metrics are better with more sunlight, then I think that's a it's definitely a big tell. Also, if you are like, if you're more inclined to thrive in colder weather, then that could be another indicator. But again, it's going to differ for people, because a lot of people avoid the cold these days, so their, their baseline is completely skewed. So they they need to start off by building that cold tolerance or that solar catalyst that really underscores.

That's interesting. I mean, the reason why I asked the question is because I'm thinking about my mother right now and she's she's of Polish descent, but she is a sun addict and to her core, she, she, she calls herself sunorexic because she just, she, just lives for the sun. So I was curious there, with like that connection between whether it was, whether I should be, I mean, I guess, both, I guess like there's no, no one or the other.

Yeah, if you can really like develop that adaptation to really hot weather and really cold weather, I think that's going to be immensely helpful for everyone. Just because it's human, biology trumps everything else.

So one thing for people to do today. Like, based on this conversation, you think somebody, after listening this, should try to incorporate. What do you think that would be?

Hmm, if you are somebody who has blue eyes, any any type of light eye color, if you have pale skin, if you have a history of burning or are prone to burning, then I think you should really start sunbathing in the early am sunlight, because early am sunlight is higher in the red and near infrared light wavelengths so, as a result, it stimulates the production of some of a skin protein known as filigree, and filigree is actually highly protective of the skin, so it's responsible for hydrating the skin, making sure that the skin barrier is more firm to external factors such as UV. And so what you'll notice is that if you sunbathe in the early am and then go to midday sunbathing, then you really notice a dramatic effect in reducing burns, not seeing burns at all, increasing your ability to tan, increasing your ability to tolerate more sun exposure. That's by far the biggest thing, because a lot of people what they do is they neglect early am morning sunlight and then they just go straight into midday sunbathing, and that's a recipe for disaster for most people, especially lighter skin ones.

It's funny. I've been listening to a little bit Gary Breckelately and he has been talking about the unique benefits of first sun, like ray at sunrise. What are some of those benefits? For that? First am sunray with sunrise. There's something unique there, right?

Very unique. Yeah, I mean we're talking about. You know, I really do believe that sunrise is actually more important than sunset, because sunrise starts the process. It starts the biological and quantum process for people's physiologies and that's that's really a huge indicator of things like mental health, especially if we're talking about, like aero aromatic amino acid production through pom see, if we're talking about appetite throughout the day through pom see regulation again, it all stems back to pom see. So if we, if you study pro opium along a corn in the leptin pathway and that revolves around that, then you'll understand that everything from appetite to sleep, to circadian biology, to energy levels, to skin health, it all stems from the morning time Awesome.

Really, this is awesome conversation. I so appreciate you taking time to do this and I'm sure we're going to do this again.