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Michael Sheedy is a personal trainer and bodybuilder.
The Health and Fitness Journey: Finding moderation through polarity. Michael Describes his journey through 12 bodybuilding competitions over 10 years. He shares insights on the extreme discipline required in this field, including meticulous management of diet, water, and sleep.
Balance Between Discipline and Enjoyment: We emphasize the importance of balancing strict health discipline with enjoying life. Michael talks about overcoming a restrictive mindset that negatively impacted his relationship with food and health habits, realizing the need to enjoy moments with friends and family without feeling guilty.
Personal Branding and Career Progression: The conversation shifts to building a personal brand and audience in the online fitness coaching space. Michael discusses strategies for creating engaging and entertaining content, and the role of authenticity in connecting with his audience.
Dealing with Burnout and Finding Purpose: Michael reflects on experiencing burnout due to a loss of purpose. He stresses the importance of having clear goals and a purpose-driven approach to work, even when on vacation, to avoid burnout.
Advice for Fitness and Health: The podcast wraps up with advice on fitness, like the benefits of volume eating, resistance training for insulin resistance, and selecting exercises for different goals. He also touches on the mental aspects of health, like the importance of clarity in decision-making and connecting goals to a higher purpose.
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Hello, hello, welcome back to the Alchemist Library podcast. Today we have a fun in person one with Michael Sheedy. Michael is a friend of a friend of Vance Elrod, who was a past guest on the show, and we've became pretty good friends and he is an absolute killer in the online personal trainer space. Having spent some time with Michael just makes me even more excited for this episode. So I'm going to keep that nice and short, because I want you guys to get into this one today. Now on to the episode. Peace, michael Sheedy. Welcome to the podcast, brother. Yeah, thanks for having me, bro, dude, I'm pumped to have you here. So, for those that don't know, you're good friends with our buddy Vance, and it's been really cool spending some time this week or this past month honestly hanging out, and what's impressed me more than anything is your ability to balance, like you, super dedicated and disciplined in this health space, but it doesn't control your life. It was something I admired from spending some time with you this week and then this past month.
Speaker 2:Awesome brother. Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that recognition. I would agree. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:We was that one of those things for you that was like you had to kind of touch the two extremes to find balance in the middle.
Speaker 2:Dude? Great question, 100%, Dude. I did 12 bodybuilding competitions in the last 10 years. I haven't competed in over two years now, but during that time I went through the, you know, I would say like the highs and lows of extreme discipline. You know, getting ready for a bodybuilding competition, like you're counting every morsel of food, you're counting, you know your water, your, your sodium intake, you know your, you know sleep. Sleep discipline, you know, is something that I, that I'll always have, whether I'm competing or not, but it creates sometimes like a restrictive, negative mindset revolving around your health habits, and that's something that I had to work through, like going through it myself and being like so restrictive that I didn't I said no to, you know, tequila drink. You know I, I was demonizing, you know, every single sugar you could think of. What ended up happening was a negative feedback loop instead of a positive one. So what I've come to realize now as I continue to push forward and and you know the health space and online fitness coaching space is, I feel personally, it's important to allow yourself to enjoy the moment, you know, when you can, with friends and family, but that doesn't mean that you're not going to be able to still be in the top 1%, if you want to, with your, with your fitness, and that's kind of what I what I try to touch on with a lot of the clients that I work with as well.
Speaker 1:I think the reason why I made note of this because I can totally relate to it in regards to the fact that, like you, honestly I don't know if you would agree with this, but it almost seems like you need to touch those extremes to be able to have that moderation. Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2:I agree, man, I think it's, it's, it's. You know, I've always said it's like a, it's a double the edge sword. Right Like I'm, I'm never really satisfied with where I'm at. You know, in my, in my, I would say, goals, or or the things that I'm accomplishing, which is a good thing, but it pushes you to be extremely disciplined. But if you never reach that point, how could you say that you've done everything you can to be your best and then be able to back off a little bit and go? Well, where's the enjoyment in between that, you know?
Speaker 1:It's such a hard conversation or such a hard thing to figure out, right? Because, like for you and me, both we're like very type A people who have these big goals and have these big ambitions, and balancing that striving towards the heaven or like those goals you want to create while also just enjoying the moment is a. It's an interesting balance and that's why I want to start the conversation with it, because you know I I, having spent some time with you, like I know you're you're killing it in the, in the personal training space, and it's funny, cause personal training isn't something that's seen as a quote on quote, a career that can make you wealthy.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's something that is a lot of people struggle to make this thing that is really, really profitable for them. What was the difference there between being that personal trainer at Gold's Gym making eight to $10 every session, versus the guy who's doing it online and is absolutely killing it because they're able to scale and do all these other things that allow you to make more money with that?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, you know, the biggest difference, I would say is, you know, mindset not to keep it simple, but expanding my mind on, on what's possible, being around other people who are doing way more than me in the same field. You know, I look at guys, you know, and they're creating, you know, multiple seven figures and working with thousands of clients. And when I first got into the space, I'm like how is that even possible? But until I surrounded myself with those people, I wasn't able to expand my mind to what it took to get there. And it's sometimes and most of the time, a lot more simple than you think it is. And you know, just going through the progression, progressions in my own personal journey in regards to my career and adapting as well, right, like social media, you got to adapt. You know what I mean. You got to understand your market. You know what you're working with, how you're getting you know your brand out to the people, how people are seeing you and perceiving you. And I think one thing that I've always really been consistent on is my personal brand, like I've, I've always been like, okay, cool, I got to build this. It doesn't matter how many hours I'm working. I got to build my personal brand. I got to build an audience who respect me. I got to build an audience that see the value in what I'm providing and that's what's made me more successful, as I've made the progressions from going and making $8, literally $8 a session at Gold's Gym, which was the bare minimum, now being able to work with hundreds of clients all across the United States and having a team work underneath me. You know there's been a lot of learning in between that, but I would say the best way to learn is just to to try, you know.
Speaker 1:It's so crazy the creator economy, like how it's opened up things and up and up things at scale because, like, there isn't that big of a difference between, in terms of quality of coaching, between the personal trainer at Gold's Gym versus the guy who's training LeBron, you know, like that that difference isn't as catastrophic as people would think and, like a lot of times, like you said, it's well down to mindset, yeah, dude, what you think is possible, expanding your mind like you know, just the people you surround yourself with, and once you see what's actually possible, there's people that there's a blueprint for everything you want to do, right, and, and a lot of the times it's not the the best you know.
Speaker 2:Product or service that that wins. It is the best you know. Marketing or branding you know that will win. And the top companies you know. Look at Calvin Klein. When they they first made a splash, they were very edgy in the way that they were doing their marketing. Right. They were the first to have people in underwear on billboards and people were criticizing them. Now look at the creator space, right. So you know, I think it's important to have to have, like, ethics and morality and, besides, the in the product and in the service that you're providing. However, you could be the best, you could be the absolute best in your field in the world, whether you're, you know, a personal trainer and online coach. Whether you know you have an incredible product, but if you can't get it in front of your audience properly, you're not going to be successful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really coming down to marketing, branding Crazy. I mean, that scale is becoming more and more useful. What do you think the key lessons have been in terms of making that really honing in on that branding and marketing stuff, what? What sticks out to you in terms of the biggest levers that helped you jump into that space, you know?
Speaker 2:I think it's creating engaging content and entertaining content as well. You know, I think the biggest like lesson that I've learned and it's not something, to be honest, that I've ever struggled with because I feel like, naturally, like, that creativity flows through me, because I genuinely like, have a passion for fitness and health, and I don't let my own I would say narcissistic tendencies get to me when I feel like a lot of people do that where they're like well, I like this content, so other people should like. That's not necessarily true. There's a, there is a gap between authenticity and what you, what you want, and understanding what your audience wants, and I think that that is super important to look at. So, you know, I've always kind of had a tap on that and I'm like okay, what can get me? What can get me a lot of engagement and provide value, but it's still authentic to me. The authenticity part is so important, so easy to fall into the trap of the algorithm just catering towards like what's hot or what people are doing, like so, so tempting seductive or just boring content, because you think like, oh, I look good and I have abs, so let me post a shirtless picture every day, like that is doing, first of all, it's doing nothing for nobody. And when, when your audience sees the same content over and over and over again, they get bored. So you have to be engaging, you got to be creative, right, and I think that's that's like kind of the lessons that I've learned.
Speaker 1:It's a I like what you said about creating for the audience versus like putting your ego aside on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was watching the killer of the flower moon. I think I butchered that name. It's a Martin Scorsese's new movie, Okay, and it's four hours long and there's just so many scenes in the movie that are pointless. And I watched it with my dad and he was like dude, like people just fall in love with their own shit and the trap they almost like. That ego becomes so infatuated or so so blown up from all the success. It's like you become kind of self absorbed in. You think that you start creating it more for your ego versus for other people.
Speaker 2:It's, it's, I think it's. It's hard for many people to look at it that way, you know.
Speaker 1:But if you can see it from you know, objectively, from your audience's point of view, it helps with your creativity, totally, I mean, we've been having a few conversations off air about authenticity and, kind of like, exposing more of yourself and more of your personality out there, like what you said about the Calvin Klein stuff. It's an interesting balance that we've been conversing through because On one hand, you don't want to like so lean into your controversial self, right right right but on the other hand, that's where a lot of the a lot of the like culty followers will come from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, it's definitely an interesting balance. I think it. Yeah, it comes back to like being true to yourself so that you can attract like minded people, whether it's your friends or whether it's your clients, your audience. Because you can imagine if you were, if you were just doing things because because it's the trendy thing to do, but it doesn't align with yourself, then you're going to feel out of alignment with the people that you're attracting.
Speaker 1:So you we're just actually talking about this, all three of us Trevor, the guy helping us out here with production talking about burnout, yeah. And we were talking about how, the authenticity in saying, like what you're going through, because social media is such one of those places that is all people trying to put out their best version of themselves. Thanks, understand or not understanding, but exposing yourself, exposing that aspect of yourself to the, to other people, just helps you become so much more relatable. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Dude it took. It takes a ton of pressure off yourself when you don't try to put this image of perfectionism. I think you know it's important that we all realize like, at the end of the day, we still got to wake up and work, regardless of how you feel. However, it's okay to have days, weeks, maybe even sometimes months, when you don't feel 100% like you are, you know, at your best, you know. But realizing that also helps us to work through that, because if you're constantly, you know, putting yourself down because you don't have as much energy as you normally do, or you know you're just not feeling as hyped up, that's going to perpetuate that cycle. But instead, if you can look at it as like okay, this is something I need to go through to be able to understand that the good times are are not going to always last in. The bad times aren't either you can remain more level headed through the obstacles that you are presented as you pursue your goals.
Speaker 1:Why do you think you were? We're going through that burnout a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2:You know, I think you know part of it was definitely losing a little bit of purpose, and I don't mean that in a in a way, that's like I just became unhinged and, like you know, went wild in in my actions, but more or less, like you know, getting too focused on the minute details without first understanding where that, that, that those actions were coming from, which is the why right, made me ultimately burnout in a way, you know, and and some people might say, oh, you know, like burnout is, you know, something that shouldn't happen, like it's what happens, you know, to people who are weak. You know, I don't agree. I think that anybody is subject to feeling, you know, at times I would say, unmotivated, but when that happens, you need to look at why that's happening, and that's what I did. I said, you know, all right, why am I feeling this way? You know, it's because I lost sense of the reason why I was doing things. So, yeah, taking a moment to to, you know, put your ego aside and say, okay, cool, what is it that I really want? You know, is it just? Is it just fast cars? Is it just super cars? Is it just, you know? You know, a nice house. No, like the material goal, goals aren't a strong enough purpose to push you to be motivated and purposeful in your actions. Right, it is more or less the selfless, the selfless goals that are going to be the most motivating and be the strongest driver of action, how you want to impact others. And I think if we can look at our daily actions as something that's not just for self but for others, you will have like unlimited drive and motivation. Of course you're going to be tired, but tired as a byproduct of work. Your, your um, your burnout is a lack of purpose because you're doing things selfish, selfishly instead of selflessly.
Speaker 1:So it's reconnecting back with that why?
Speaker 2:100%.
Speaker 1:So in that, in that burnout, what you're feeling is a disconnection with what what you're doing or what you, why you're doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Why you originally started. Yeah, and I think that's, bro, I think it happens to a lot of people. People just don't talk about it. You know what I mean? It's it happens when you lose sense of purpose and then you start escaping and you can part of me, bro, was escaping through working more Right, and I was like I was. I was like all right, I'm not, I'm not feeling great, I'm not doing as much as I can. Let me do more without a reason why. Let me work 60 hours this week. Let me work on vacation Like I think it's good to to, you know, have some responsibility, even when, like you know, you're traveling Like I love. I love actually, like opening my laptop in another country or another city and like chilling and drinking coffee and working. But when you don't have that purpose behind it, that's when you start to get that burnout. So I totally agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah that uh working on vacations kind of a nice feeling.
Speaker 2:Dude, it's fun, I enjoy it. Dude. Another location a cup of coffee, maybe a coffee shop on the beach? Yeah, it's a vibe.
Speaker 1:The um. Well, you were saying the other day um, lifting, when, like getting making sure that. I think how we were talking about it was when you're on vacation, making sure your fitness is super dialed in, like getting to the gym every morning because that diet is sliding a little bit. That was a cool reframe in understanding that like it's all right if one of the things slides, but when you get in trouble is when both of the things slide.
Speaker 2:Exactly, bro. Yeah, man. So I work with um a lot of entrepreneurs and I work with a lot of of um guys specifically that travel for work. You know what I mean. They're going. They're in a weekend in you know um in Chicago and then the next week they're in Amsterdam for a week and then a month later they're in Hawaii for you know three days. One of my clients I helped um. He lost 20 pounds um a body fat um with a, not with a, not a very super low calorie diet Like we were eating right under maintenance, but with the strategies we used while he was traveling, he was able to still lose body fat while traveling over 90 day period. He probably traveled six times. Part of that is is the way that I've been able to learn myself through my, you know, through traveling as well, which I only started doing in the last three years. Like in the last three years, I started traveling. Before that, I barely did only because I I was working really hard to build the brand and I felt like I didn't deserve it. Now I've realized how important it is to take that time, um to travel, so that you can gain new perspectives, um, but also um motivate yourself to get back to work, you know, to be able to afford those experiences. So, whenever I do, whenever I am traveling, man, I'm I'm looking at from from a perspective of how do I feel, you know, when I'm at home, like, and I'm dialed in with my nutrition, I'm dialed in with my sleep, I'm not drinking alcohol often or frequently, um, and I'm working out, I feel great, and today I have a ton of energy, bro, like I. I feel incredible, I'm articulate, I'm sharp. Um, I'm not, you know, moody for the most part, unless you know I. I've been working a lot and um, that's what I always relate to my clients, like when you go on vacation, like, say you go to, say you go to a tropical destination for a week, okay, and you're used to working out seven days a week and you're used to eating a diet that's, that's rich in antioxidant uh foods and whole nutrition and um, and you don't drink alcohol um every day, which most people who are in good shape and are um sharp mentally aren't drinking alcohol every day, because it's a, it's something in in doses that can be detrimental to your, to your, to your um, mental health and also your physical body. And you go on vacation and you drink alcohol copious, copiously, every day, you eat foods that are you know shit, typically, um, and you stop working out, how do you think you're going to feel? You're gonna feel ran down, You're probably maybe gonna get sick, you're gonna have zero energy and you're gonna have, you know, you're gonna feel like crap. So my thing is I wanna go on vacation, I wanna feel great and enjoy the experience, but still be able to have a little bit of fun. So the thing that I use as the equalizer is every morning on vacation, I'm getting up and I'm going to work out and I actually enjoy it so much it's a great way to start it. So that is the best tactic that you give your clients that are traveling a lot to stay inactive, staying active and, honestly, one of the things that I utilize when traveling is intermittent fasting, as well as a calorie restriction method. If you're not able to find food that's, you know, going to align with your calorie deficit or nutrient dense foods, I'd rather eat less frequently and then have like a big meal that's maybe not have all the ingredients that I would like, so that I can stay in a calorie deficit easier.
Speaker 1:I really like you've been doing these 24 hours fast like once a week. Yes, sir, I love that for like a weight loss period because of that ability, the 3,500 calories or whatever it may be that you're burning, that makes it so much more. It makes it so much easier the rest of the week to be in that deficit. If you're thinking about the deficit as the week as a whole, not today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, I love fasting. It's something that I've anecdotally experimented with to see how it would affect my physique and I've always had very positive benefits, both mentally and physically, from the fast, like from doing the 24 hour fast. I've noticed my skin looks fresher, I don't have as many blemishes and is equalized, and it's also made a difference because I'm able to be in a deficit throughout the week period without starving myself day to day because I'm doing that 24 hour fast.
Speaker 1:And are you doing? Sorry to cut you off Are you doing any like aminos during your fast or anything to mitigate muscle loss?
Speaker 2:Dude. Interestingly enough, I feel like catabolism is way overstated and I think it's been perpetuated through supplement marketing. Yeah, like I truly believe that, I don't think Aminos. I think Aminos are the most overrated supplement you could possibly take.
Speaker 1:BCAAs or EAAs or both.
Speaker 2:Honestly, all of them, bro. Honestly, because, think about this even if you're intermittent fasting, if you're eating protein point eight, let's say point eight grams per pound of body weight on a daily basis, your body stores amino acids in your liver. It takes an extended period of time for your body to get rid of those amino acids in your liver and then start eating muscle tissue. I think it's overstated, personally. So no, I don't drink Aminos because I eat enough protein. But I will do electrolytes for hydration, mental clarity as well. Your brain is full of water and if you're fasting, you're more likely to get dehydrated easier because you don't have carbohydrates which contain which help to transport water to your intracellular tissue. So electrolytes are super important when you're fasting. As long as you're not going over 25 calories per day, you're gonna be able to stay while you're in the fast, you're able to stay in that zone and you're burning through a lot of that stored glycogen as well. So yeah, just electrolytes, water. I'll do coffee. I love black coffee with nothing in it, something I actually enjoy and it gets me through it.
Speaker 1:Do you find like I think the only thing that makes me hesitate sometimes to do extended fast is the anxiety from drinking caffeine and being fasted all day? Do you ever get that?
Speaker 2:Dude, I rarely, to be honest with you, I rarely get anxiety. I don't really that anxiety is like I've had it a few times, but I don't really get it often Like straight up.
Speaker 1:I drink too many of these nitro cold brews.
Speaker 2:That's the issue dude Bro, I can't do nitro. That's the thing I do regular cold brew. So now that you say that nitro does jack me up, but I don't get anxious, I get like, I get like shortness of breath and, like you know what. I mean Like a little shaky, like oh, this is, I have like a head rush, but cold brew keeps me energized and but mellow.
Speaker 1:So with the clients that you work with. I'm sure there's a lot of commonalities that are the biggest levers that allow people to have success, like that 80, 20 stuff. Like what are those activities you've seen with your clients? Or the things you've seen with your clients that have gotten them 80% of the success? Does that make sense to you? Or the things that have really allowed your clients to have success, the biggest movers?
Speaker 2:You know, I think it's the ability to understand that what we're doing in our habits daily, again, is purposeful action. Right, if anybody can say they want to have a six pack, but, and then anybody can start doing cardio and eating healthy. But you're not going to be able to sustain those actions if you don't do it for a reason outside of yourself. I truly believe that, like, I think the most selfish thing is when you are putting action towards something and not getting results, cause that means that you're doing it but you're not doing it as you should, right? So it's much easier to follow a plan when you have a reason to do it, when you have a purpose to do it. Right On the outside, it looks sexy like you know, a fit body, a big bank account, a nice car, a nice house. That's sexy. But unless you are, you know, silver spoon fed. But the physique is something you can't have without great genetics, which is like 1% of the population, dj Metcalf, right. To me it shows that you've been able to do work when you don't want to do work, and that's the unsexy work that people have to compartmentalize and to understand that purpose. When you're looking at it like man, this cardio sucks, okay, but how many people look up to you? How many people are you gonna inspire from being in incredible shape and saying no to the things that are vices, that perpetuate depression and anxiety? right, drugs, entertainment, porn, too much alcohol, right, those are the things you have to say no to, and you know, both are hard, like, is it easy fucking, you know doing, you know you know cardio sometimes or is it easy training hard? Is it easy, you know eating super nutrient dense foods? No, but it becomes something that is habitual over time and then from there it does become easier. But both choices that you choose are gonna be hard one way or another. So I think the clients that connect, the people that I've worked with, that kind of connect their goals to a purpose for me, selfless purpose that those are the people that have long-term success.
Speaker 1:And it's crazy how much of a spiritual pursuit it is Dude, it's so crazy.
Speaker 2:you said that in my mind just now. It's like it's spiritual, it's super spiritual, dude.
Speaker 1:I don't think I ever realized that I was. I did a super strict elimination style diet to clear up some skin issues a few years back and the diet was so strict and it made me realize that it's like you derive so much of your pleasure and your thought process of like where you're gonna eat today, all this stuff from food, and it takes a spiritual maturity to be able to discipline yourself in order to not indulge in those things. And, like, as you're saying this, it makes me realize like that's probably why all of these religions talk about fasting, bro fasting is yeah, it's like discipline is destiny.
Speaker 2:A book I recently read by Ryan Holiday like. It talks about one of these, one of these guys who was a king right In like Greek and Roman times, and I don't remember his exact name, to be honest with you. It was a story that they told. But he had lavish lifestyle. He could have eat anytime he want, he could sleep in the nicest beds and basically be kush. But he understood how important it was to have perspective, so he would purposely go spend a night with the poorest people in that region and sleep on the ground once a week to be able to really enjoy his lifestyle. Because it's not the lifestyle that's gonna make you happy. It's your perspective and who you are inside that makes you happy and that goes. That's the spiritual journey of fitness, health and business. The million dollars is gonna make you happy.
Speaker 1:You know, so true, dude, so true. I've been traveling a lot recently and I think Everyone's like how's Austin, how's Vegas? I was like dude. Everywhere you go there, you are Like it's not. Like these places are that different or change anything internally in terms of your state or your happiness. It's like it's all just going to come down to like how you are as a person and getting really in tune with that is everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's like the fastest in a. Restricting. It's not a for me. I'm not restricting myself, it's not a negative feedback loop For me. It's proving to myself that I have the discipline to say no and then backing that up because now I have the confidence internally. Right, confidence isn't an external thing. Confidence comes from internal actions connected to a purpose.
Speaker 1:That perspective shift is so important. Taking it from the negative perspective to being a positive is changes the game. It allows you to just be so much more. It allows that discipline to become so much more effortless.
Speaker 2:Dude, it makes it honestly, it makes it easy. You know it makes it easy because you're like, okay, this is going to have a direct correlation between the person that I am in conversation and relationships right. Like that's, it's super powerful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it's funny. Like to bring it back to this skin thing, like when I was in the process of like clearing out the skin issue and like my family at the time was like how the fuck are you doing this? Like you're so disciplined with it, whatever, and it was like it's not disciplined at all If every time I eat like shit, my body reacts negatively. It's like it changing that perspective from you are restricting yourself to you are nourishing yourself. It just allows you to to be so much more satisfied. 100%, yeah, 100%. It's a hard thing with the physique stuff, though, because that is an interesting game and, like I just interviewed this guy, Rob Lipset, and in research for the episode, I was like looking at a few of his YouTube videos and he had a lot of stuff on his own like eating disorder and body dysmorphia stuff. He's like a killer bodybuilder and I just think that it is so common it's so hard to be satisfied with how you look.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's just again, dude. I not to like take it away from what you just said, but I think it comes down to like purpose dude. It's everything makes a lot more sense, and it's very easy to be decisive when you know what you want.
Speaker 1:I mean that's a great point, Because if you think about in that way of why are you doing this, Like why are you trying to get as jacked as possible?
Speaker 2:Are you doing it for? Are you doing it for other people? Are you doing it for trying to get girls? Are you doing it?
Speaker 1:for your longevity or health your mental clarity, the way you feel, the way you move through life, that understanding your why behind things.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, everything gets clear. I had a guy come up to me at a coffee shop I like to work at coffee shops and he's somebody who I've been in an acquaintance with and he was like hey, man like what do you think about this? Like why am I struggling with this thought? I'm like because you don't know what you want to do. Like you could ask me anything. Why am I struggling with this? Because you don't have clarity. If you have clarity, it's easy to make a decision right. It's easy to not have a bad relationship with food. When you have clarity, you know in why you're doing it. If you don't have clarity. If you're like I'm just doing it because I want to be jacked, okay, it's not a good goal you know so much mindless action.
Speaker 1:And I feel like it's getting proliferated by our culture of being like such consumers of everything and like with these phones, with consuming 24 seven, you almost never give your time, that you give yourself that time to reflect 100% and be like. This is why I'm doing the things that I do and I was going to ask you, like, how do you carve out those wise? But I think at the end of the day, it just comes down to allowing yourself to reflect a bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's. I think that's like important too is like discipline isn't just getting to the gym, you know getting a crazy workout in and you know eating healthy. Discipline is also going. Okay. I need to take 30 minutes in the morning to reflect on on why I'm doing the things I'm doing. Or, you know, 30 minutes to be present outside of your phone. Like how many people can say they truly set their phone down for an hour on purpose every day? When's the last time?
Speaker 1:you know, not you, but most people have ate a meal without being on their phone or ate a meal without looking at the TV when they're at home and a meal is some sort of stimulation as well, like, yeah, when you take away that meal as well and you just I think one of the best concepts I've gotten from the podcast is from this guy, ego drive, who's a online writer, and he was like you don't need to meditate, you don't need to do any of these like practices where you're just closing your eyes, breathing in and out, bored in a room. You just need to give yourself one hour of me time a day. I think that that reframe of just reflecting on what's going on it just provides everything that you need to allow yourself to be disciplined and allow yourself to start to have the clarity in the things that you want to want.
Speaker 2:It's reducing reducing developed traffic and dopamine regulation by not constantly needing something to stimulate you Totally.
Speaker 1:And so with this conversation, it's interesting for me because I'm about to start a cut. I want to cut a bit and you know there's the spiritual aspect of it and then that's the physical and the tactics and strategies you can use to make that easier on yourself. Do you have any advice for me or anyone who's looking to shed a few pounds and lean out of it? Is there any advice or things that have worked for you to make that process easier? Like actual questions in any way you want.
Speaker 2:Okay, awesome, bro. You know I honestly perspective, Lee, knowing that it's not the goal that you need to. It's important to have the goal, but what is going to help you accomplish that is the person that it takes to accomplish that goal you need to look at. I could give you right now, I could tell you, bro, you got to do 40 minutes of cardio a day. You got to do. You got to, right now, drink no alcohol for the next 30 days and I also need you to, you know, do resistance training really heavy or very intense, with time under tension, and get eight hours of sleep. Now, if you've been out of those habits for a long time, it's going to be hard to implement that day one. Oh yeah, it's going to be tough. However, however, if you first create the perspective of the person that needs to accomplish that, it gets easier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, starting to realize who that person that's able to accomplish that thing is within yourself.
Speaker 2:It's a perspective. So I would say the biggest thing is shifting your perspective as you start a journey to be able to have the habits to accomplish that physically Same thing in business To be to have a business that produces multiple, seven figures it takes. And if you're not there yet, it's because you're not the person that you need to be yet to attract and attain that level of success. If you're not where you're at in your physique goals, it's because you're not the person you need to be yet you don't have the habits yet to be able to obtain that goal. So it's not, it's not the eating healthy, it's not the cardio, it's not the you know, not going out and drinking heavily, it's the person and habits to back that up. So I think, bro, that that'll help you to make every decision you need to make, and I don't even need to tell you anything else.
Speaker 1:That's my favorite concept is understanding the everything being the same, that the gym is the perfect metaphor for life and life is the perfect metaphor for the gym, and it just there's so many different realizations. When you start to do hard things, you start to realize that any hard thing kind of follows the same path, and there's a so many mental commonalities between all these things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro, it's so I'm telling you it's beyond easy to make decisions when you know exactly it is what you want and who, who you need to be to accomplish that. Like everybody's confused about what they should be doing in relationships and all these things, you're straight up indecisive. You just don't know what you want and you're letting other people make that decision for you. So if it makes sense for you to be in a calorie deficit and to get into incredible shape to inspire others, you're not going to question whether or not you should have alcohol four times a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really does make it easier when you have that strong, why you know like oh, how much.
Speaker 2:how many calories is in this? Why are you even drinking? It shouldn't fucking matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know it's funny, it's a, it's a concept that is very true in marketing as well. That guy, simon Simek yeah, he wrote this book called Start With why, from a marketing perspective, of looking at a couple of the company like Apple. I think was the example in the book where all of their marketing is targeted at the why, why they do what they do, why you should Want to want their stuff. Same with Nike as well. It's like fine, find your greatness. I don't know if you remember that campaign.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all these little marketing tactics, they're not trying to sell you on Nike being the best thing in the world. They're trying to sell you on the why you want to want. I love it, I love it. Yeah, it's same principle. Yeah, and so if, with the Cut stuff, if you were going to, you said for immense cardio. You list a few different things.
Speaker 2:I was. Those are just yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:I'm just making kind of I wanted to bring it back up, yeah if you were to write a program for me or somebody like me trying to do something like that, just very high level, quick, what would? What would some of those things be in terms of recommendations?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think more of it would come down to being more active and eating less. You know, if you're looking to, and that's like super simple, right? A lot of people overeat, bro, and they overeat at bad times, right? So a lot of people, what they'll do is they'll under eat during the day and then at night they, you know, are giving into craving. So part of that is eating eating nutrient-dense foods. One of my main principles that I've used to be able to Maintain the physique I have is it's called, volume eating, right, so filling your body with foods that are high in nutrients and low in calories throughout the day.
Speaker 1:I love vegetables, yeah, fiber, yeah, protein correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, high protein, high protein, you know moderate, low to moderate carb, depending on what body fat percentage you're at. If you're at high body fat percentage, you want to go lower carb because you probably have insulin resistance. But if you're already at 15%, you know body fat 15 to 20% body fat you can afford to be at moderate carbs. If you're doing resistance training and then keeping your activity level high, you know if you work from home You're gonna have to make sure that you are getting in enough steps to be able to support a caloric deficit, because it's not just eating less, it's also moving more. So a lot of my clients will tell them hey, eight to ten thousand steps a day, I'm not really big on like actual cardio. Cardio, you know like you don't need to do an hour or cardio a day and a lot of people make that mistake. They start running like one of the biggest Things that I'm a proponent of is for body composition change and long-term metabolic health is not running. I think running is one of the one of the worst things metabolic you can do for your body because it pairs down muscle tissue and makes you makes reduces your basal metabolic rate.
Speaker 1:That's something that people, that blows people's minds that running is it's what. I ran a. I ran a half marathon. I didn't train for it, I just wanted to like kind of test the mental safety and then I was there and I'm halfway through this race and I'm getting smoked by all these fat people running by me and the whole time I'm thinking is like no one here is in shape. Every single person was Overweight or incredibly skinny and looking awful. There was no one with a Of not one. There was like maybe two people in the entire race that had a physique that you would Consider like aesthetic or something that seems very healthy. Everyone was either overweight or incredibly skinny and that runner, bill dude, it is chronic inflammation, all the stuff that you described. It's like that is not the way to get healthier, to lose weight.
Speaker 2:It's not long, long-term strategy. It's not good. You know, I, I, I. I started running at one point because I was training for my second amateur Boxing match, and that's why. I started I started running a lot and I lost ten pounds of lean tissue and it's like if you're training. For how long was that? Sorry to cut you off the ten pounds. Yeah how long did it take for that to happen? Honestly, dude of lean tissue, like I'm not joking, you like four to six weeks?
Speaker 1:and that is you, when you're getting adequate protein.
Speaker 2:That's you know I was eating someone dialed.
Speaker 1:I was dialed. Yeah, dude, imagine all those people who are Not even getting close to enough protein and also doing that stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's, it's challenging. And so then you want to, you just want to, you want to. This is what I tell my clients. You want to eat and train for how you want to look and how you want to feel. So if you want to be a boxer, if you want to be a cyclist, if you want to be a triathlon athlete doing endurance activities, that's totally fine. But don't expect to have, you know, great term, great long-term metabolic health. Sprinting and walking love sprinting, love low intensity, steady-state cardio I do. I do uphill sprints better for the knees and I do a lot of list cardio as well, because it helps you to not over tax your body, because running Running reduces your recovery tremendously from resistance training. So low intensity, steady-state cardio is not very high in impact or stressful on the central nervous system, so you're able to maintain that and use that as a tool to stimulate insulin sensitivity and also being a bigger caloric deficit and if you don't believe us, look at the physique of the sprinter, Bro honey yeah, dude, anytime I've incorporated sprints into my routine, like I know, I notice a change in my body composition. You know, fuller, fuller muscles, because it's really acting on helping your body to store more glycogen Inside the muscles and reduce a lot of that stored fat as well.
Speaker 1:Have you heard of this like muscle-centric approach to longevity? Have you any stuff like dr Gabriel lion? She's? She's this doctor who she just released a book, so she was going on a bunch of podcasts recently so Just kind of discovered her as of recent. But her whole hypothesis or thing that she tries to stress is that If you look at what causes disease, it's insulin resistance. At the core of most things, it's insulin resistance. And if you look at the things that prevent disease or allow the body to Be resilient enough to overcome disease, it's insulin sensitivity and muscle mass. So if someone gets cancer, one of the biggest things that kills them isn't the cancer itself, it's the body not having enough vitality or muscle or weight to To keep going. And then if you look at like heart disease and all these things, that's rooted in insulin Resistance. And what's the best thing for insulin resistance Weightlifting, resistance, training, sprinting, like all these things at the end of the day is like they're probably the best things you'd be doing for a long journey for longevity a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, it's interesting. I think there's both a correlation and causation behind the amounts of lean muscle tissue someone has and their Longevity. Right, because I think it's the life. What lifestyle does it take to be able to have mean tissue? You got to get good sleep. You know you're not gonna be doing drugs, you're not gonna be drinking alcohol, you're gonna be eating typically high protein diet, which is incredible for your metabolism, so that's gonna help protect you long term. So I think that's the correlation. And then the causation would be resistance training being the best form of exercise you could possibly do, because it also helps with, you know, increasing bone density, which a lot of people. They end up being sedentary because of not being active, which is also causing them to have, like osteoporosis, brittle bones. You break your hip, you can't that's.
Speaker 1:That's when people Quickly deteriorate or other people. They have an injury, and then they're yeah, they may struggle lack of activity, right. So, totally so. With that said, what do you? What's your split right now? What are you doing? How often? Training? What type of Kind of style of you doing? Higher volume stuff, lower volume, yeah, higher rep range, lower rep range what's that kind of looking like for you?
Speaker 2:So I always incorporate time under time, under tension, yep, as a modality for my workouts. It is the, it is the superior modality for hypertrophy, going through your, your workout routine and using negatives To be able to put tension on the muscle. And that's kind of the modality that I've used for, I would say, bro, the last like five or six years, and it's really helped me to maintain a Fuller-looking physique and a heart harder-looking, harder-looking muscles as well. So I'm fully transparent, bro, like I am super intuitive with what I train, like, but you can be that yet I've got that point.
Speaker 1:That's not something you think you could recommend to people, but like, yeah, that's facts, yeah for you. Like that's yeah, yeah, when someone's first starting out what the fuck you're doing correct.
Speaker 2:When someone's first starting out, they need to have structure, they need to have a system, and that's what I had, dude, I I had a personal trainer when I was 20 years old. I had a another nutrition coach that I've been working with for for eight years, you know, and They've provided me with a system and structure to help me to get to where I'm at. But now that I've been training for so long, I can basically walk in the gym and go. What's not sore today? I'm gonna absolutely, you know, crush that muscle and then. But one thing I've been doing more of lately, honestly, is targeting my abs, like specifically. So a lot of the times, dude, when I would train in the past, I would just use like exercises that that used core in them, often right to be able to like work my core muscles, like, let's say, farmer carries, for example, or sled pushes, or sprints, or barbell squats, like you're working your core tremendously doing those. But and I've usually relied on low body fat percentages to expose my you know, my core and like look, look, shredded, because a lot of times if you don't have abs, nobody's gonna think you're shredded. So, like, you need you need a six, you need a six pack to show off your physique, right. So one thing I've been really doing recently is purposely targeting my core, just as I would like my biceps to be able to Make them look more pronounced as I'm at a low body fat percentage has been working pretty well, dude, yeah, because I'm not, as you know, I I'm lean right now, but I'm not as lean as I Could be or been in the past, but my abs look, look more defined because I've been training them more Specifically and I have. I have all my, all my clients I work with, I have them hit abs, targeting them. Because if you talk about aesthetics, right, your abs are just like another muscle.
Speaker 1:You can train them, you can tear them down, you can make them more pronounced and have deeper cuts if you train them directly it's important note to like the more you train abs and the stronger your abs are, the the higher body fat percentage you can have and still maintain a six-pack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's, you know, powerful as you go through. You know, maybe there's a couple months in the year when you have to travel a little bit more, you have to be a little bit busier in your work. Well, you built that foundation. You have those strong core muscles that are pronounced, so you're still going to be able to maintain an aesthetic physique.
Speaker 1:Have you seen? So this guy, Chris Williamson, from Moner Wisdom, he's been doing, he's been having a bunch of body builders on. He's been asking them if there was, if you could only do ten exercises for the rest of your life, what are you doing? What are you thinking? What's your ten? Ten exercises, Ten exercises. You could only do these for, for every. For me personally or for anybody.
Speaker 2:Let's do for my physique or for the general yourself, for gen pop?
Speaker 1:Let's do for yourself, and then after we'll go into, how would different for general population?
Speaker 2:Okay, um we would go backward sled drag. Okay, great for the knees, keep your knees strong and healthy. Builds the VMOs, the muscles around the knee joint. Um, like, if you did that alone, you're never going to have any problems than like. Two biggest injuries are knees and back. So boom, right there Done. Um. Second one would be, uh, low plank, just foundational core movement.
Speaker 1:Low plank. What's the difference between? Is that when you're on the forums versus yeah, I mean it's much easier.
Speaker 2:High plank is easier, so low plank is going to give you core stability to be able to strengthen your back Again, back injury. So those two boom right there. I got stability in my knees and back. Now we go into, you know, aesthetics and other things that are foundational. Barbell squats super, super functional. Yeah, barbell back squat functional movement. You hit core, you hit quads, you hit glutes, you hit hamstrings. It's super, um, you know, functional as well.
Speaker 1:So that'll that'll keep you functional and elevated knees or no, I mean not elevated knees, elevated heels.
Speaker 2:Um, elevated heels. I don't need that, but if you have poor ankle mobility, that'll help you to get into a deeper squat. So and just kind of depends.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And just yeah. So I've used that when clients don't have good ankle mobility. So we got backwards leg, we got low plank, we got barbell squat I would say a pressing movement. You know, I love like a, actually really like like an incline press instead of a flat press. Um, yeah, uh, dumbbell, because I find that it's better on the shoulder joints because of your plane of movement it doesn't internally rotate your shoulders and you're hitting more of the upper pectoral, which, uh, contributes to more aesthetics than the lower peck, Lower peck you're, you have to. You have the peck minor, peck major. Your upper peck is what makes your, your chest look bigger and more pronounced A lot of people want to be hitting up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I like the upper chest because pushups this is like a traditional bunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know, yeah, so I like the dumbbell incline press. Um, another one uh, pull ups, easily pull ups because right there, you got back in biceps, you know, and that's something you could do anywhere, you know, any place. Um, next one would definitely be sprints. Like I mean, boom, you're literally you hit every muscle in your body when you sprint, you're flexing everything when you're sprinting, right. So, um, that one right there, and that would knock out. You know cardio as well. Um, hanging leg raises for abs, those two build, build sick. Like that's something I've always done, because it hits the lower hits a little bit more targeted of the lower abdominals, which gives you that fuller like six pack. Um, I also love uh cable, uh cable wood choppers. I don't think I know what those are, yeah, so you're using a cable, you're getting like a single handle and then you're rotating across your body. Okay, so you, you're going you got two things working you got obliques and you got rotational core strength. Gotcha Right, so which which helps you to stay functional? Cause, one of the things that I don't want to be is like an unfunctional bodybuilder, and, like I, I like to box as well, so I like to be able to be wrote, be able to rotate through my core and a lot, of, a lot of movements. Sport activities require rotational core strength and it builds the obliques. Um, so we're at. We're at seven. I got, I got three more for you, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, but we've already hit back. We've already hit chest Very, hit legs Pretty well Dips.
Speaker 2:Dips, dips yeah, I would say weighted dips, like body weight dips, body weight. You know dips are great, but if you do weighted dips, that's going to tremendously build your triceps and keep you super functional as well. Um, yeah, I mean, you know, aesthetically speaking, you know, if you, if you're a guy, most men want to have a V taper. Um, one of the exercises I really like is, uh, cable lateral raises for the medial dealt, for that, for the, for the outside of your dealt. That's going to create more of an aesthetic physique. So, like that one right there, if you give me that, like I'm golden. And then, last one I would say is like, uh, incline, incline bench. Uh, dumbbell curls for the bicep.
Speaker 1:Uh, okay, yeah, oh yeah, so we've hit. Yeah, we're not missing anything.
Speaker 2:Dude, you're not missing anything in the only calves, but if we need to cast, I mean it's sprints, sprints, sprints are probably a great point, yeah.
Speaker 1:Sprints are probably better for calves than calf raises.
Speaker 2:Bro, I'm, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's amazing. So how? So that was for you. How would that differ? What, what, what things would differ if it was general population?
Speaker 2:Cause all those things one sound functional and two sound applicable. There's a couple aesthetic exercises in there. I would just probably throw in um some exercises that just generally keep your, your, your muscle density high, but also have, like, maybe instead of the inclined dumbbell curl I'd have someone do like a TRX bicep curl. You know cause you're using body weight. You can do that anywhere in the world, you know yeah, Sweet brother.
Speaker 1:Um, anything we haven't talked about today. You want to talk about anything that's been on your mind or even thinking about.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, yeah, man, I, I, uh, I. I want to talk about um intention in regards to like actions and relationships. I would love to talk about that, let's do it. So you know, the other day I had somebody reach out to me and uh, it's, you know, I'm at coffee shops often working. I really I like to get out of the, the environment I'm in where I live. Um, cause I can focus more, cause I go there to work. I don't go there to do anything else. I had a guy come up to me and he's like hey, man, I heard you talking about, you know, online fitness coaching and, uh, you know, wanted to, you know, talk to you a little bit. Uh, he's like I'm doing it as well. I was like, great, you know. So him and I chopped it up and you know it's cool to meet other people doing something similar Reached out to me on Instagram and was like, hey, man, we'd love to you know, um, talk to you about, you know, possible, you know, mentorship, you can help me out and also, you know, just want to pick your brain. So my idea he's like let's meet up. So I was like, cool, like you know, he wants to, you know, work with me in some capacity or he wants. And then he, when we met, it was like hey, man, I'm I'm not going to be, you know, I don't want to pay you for anything. And and uh, it was basically asking for for help for free. You know what I mean, and to me that came across extremely, uh, disingenuous. You know what I mean? And not providing value in a relationship. So I think one thing that I've learned over time is like, if you are going to come to somebody and ask for help, um, there has to be some sort of exchange. It doesn't have to be monetary. But if you're just going to somebody without building a relationship first, like it's so important that you're building value in that relationship before you do that Building values everything yeah.
Speaker 1:It's such an important note because, especially for younger people, if they want to be, um, somebody who's in the room, in the rooms with people doing the big deals or, like you were saying before, who are absolutely killing it, you got to be providing value in some regard, and there's a lot of different ways to do that. You could get creative with it, like there's so many ways, if you think about it like there's this guy, Dan Garner, who's? He's Sean O'Malley's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar yeah.
Speaker 1:I, I wanted to have him on the pod. I wanted to. Uh, he was someone who's inspired me a ton and loved his content. I chopped up one of his podcast. I don't do short form editing. I just chopped up one of his podcasts. Is like hey, bro, so that you haven't ever done any short form stuff, clip this up for you. And then he DM me, followed me, we talked, we talked a bunch Like that is so simple, it's just doing those things and that's just a mundane example but like right, getting creative of how you could help people right, right and people check their DMs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, they do.
Speaker 1:it's really cool, it's an important note that, like there's ways to provide value and there's ways to help the people that you Want to, to get in front of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that's like Definitely a lesson that like younger people could learn. It's something I know, like I I've one of my good friends is, you know, best friends with Alex from mosey and I've hung out with Alex a couple times with my friend, you know, all of us together like at his house watching UFC and and I Haven't, you know, taken that as an opportunity to reach out to him. He gave me his number, you know. I'm sure I could go get a workout with him sometime. But I'm like, okay, like I don't want to just take this guy's time without giving, because then you're you're ruining the relationship up front because they they how many people are asking this people, this person, for help a lot, and I just, yeah, and I think that's a lesson and I've never had to learn that lesson. But I think a lot of people could learn that, because I've had, you know, quite a few people reach out and ask me to get coffee that I Don't know well, to pick my brain, like, okay, imagine I did that with every single person. I just have people picking basically getting trade secrets from me without me provided, without them providing any value up front. So I think it's a good lesson in relationships in relationships specifically. You know, like you and you and I have, you know, we've had free, freestyle communication, you know, and we've been able to like relate to each other on a lot of ways. You know, I didn't, I didn't say, hey, man, I'd love to be on your podcast, like, get me. Like the first time we met, like we built a rapport with each other, like, and that wasn't, you know, me trying to go, I need to build a report of this guy to get on his podcast. It was just it naturally came up, you know, and then we're like, do this alliance, let's do it yeah.
Speaker 1:It's such an important note like being being Value-driven, it just Abundant it's an abundance mindset, like it's.
Speaker 2:It's an abut like and that's one thing I live by like attract, don't chase right. Like if the star, like if the stars align in things are perfect and me and Alex or Mosey hang out and like it makes sense for us to provide value to each other great. But outside of that I'm not gonna. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Man, it's. I love that note. I'm very glad you brought it up because it's something that like Even this weekend, like hanging out with some guys that are absolutely killing it right and not Not making it, not being needy, right, it's like it's very unattractive bro, it goes along, it go, I'm telling you, it goes a long way, like I.
Speaker 2:Another example too, bro, like I have one of my, one of my, another one of my good friends. He crushes it like. He absolutely crushes it in the fitness space. He runs like a gym franchises, like multi-millionaire, and I've reached out to him for questions as we built a relationship over the last few years and he helps me and I got some tickets to UFC apex and I was able to get that through a client of mine who has a hookup like that's a whole another value driven relationship as well. And I reached out and I was like, hey, man, I want to take you out, I want to kind of show you some appreciation. So boom, right there, strengthen the relationship, you know. But I genuinely appreciate what he's done, so I'm not gonna continue to take without giving something back podcast has been such a interesting and unexpected way to Help provide people with value.
Speaker 1:I didn't I didn't think that, I didn't think about things in that way, but as I've seen it develop and grow, it's like, oh, this is something that's a win-win I could create for people, I get to create to Congress, I get to have the conversations with people, they get to have the content and and get to spread their message and clarify their own thoughts and it's it's finding these ways to create win-win opportunities is Everything for business and just for personal relationships. Yeah, dude, I want to start a podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you should?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you should. What would be?
Speaker 2:We'll be holding you back with us. I think I you know, and this could be a limited belief time I don't have enough time to do it, but you're proving me wrong with that, because it doesn't take much time. I feel like once you have the right piece of setup and then Like I guess branding and messaging of the podcast right, like who would I want to talk to?
Speaker 1:that's an interesting conversation. It makes you really. I Gained that clarity like we're talking about before it. Yeah, when I, when I sat down to do that, it was a bit terrifying not terrifying is the wrong word, it was a bit Overwhelming. Or I was just like what do I even like? Who do I even want to talk? like it was a it was a crisis of not knowing what you want to, but doing it clarifies what you're genuinely curious about, yeah, and what. What you just want to have, who, the people you want to have on because they have a big audience, or whatever. It's like what's your genuine curiosity saying? Right, that has been incredibly beneficial to understanding you as a person and just a better sense of awareness.
Speaker 2:Dude, that's sick. Yeah, and you're crushing it, dude. I, like the people that you've had on the pot, has been, has been some crazy guests, so I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Good work, seriously Good work bro, I appreciate it, thank you. Yeah we're, we're gonna get you, get you set up with pod. We got it. Gotta make it happen, let's go. We got this beautiful studio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know definitely this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely incredible place here, Dude, thank you so much for doing this. This was a ton of fun. I'm absolutely flew by.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it's crazy when you're, when you're in the moment, it's like you know we realize you know how much time you've been on there, but absolutely so when should we send people? So my Instagram is where I'm providing a ton of valuable content, you know, in the fitness space, and where you can see A lot of the things that I'm doing with my clients and you know, other business things that I post. So Michael Sheedy Fitness on Instagram. So yeah, awesome guys.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you guys for listening. Catch you guys next time. Peace.
